[BozemanLUG] You Tube video on Linux Desktop

Wed Sep 8 07:15:48 MDT 2010

Version changing seems to be a habit we all share. BUT why do we change?
I have 10.4 working and all the bells and whistles with it. So why
upgrade. I am going to sit on 10.4 because everything works for me.
All the bells and whistle too.

Edward Dunagin-Dunigan
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http://www.wifimobile.org
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On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Robert Potter <rpotter at zoncko.com> wrote:
> Few things that jumped out at me were:
> 1) the discussion of video drivers in relation to kernal updates.  I have
> not knowingly noticed this issue with my Ubuntu installs but it is similar
> to an issue that frustrates the heck out of me.  I have yet to understand
> how anything that works in the previous version no longer works in the new
> version.  With Ubuntu that means only a maximum of 6 months of something
> working, it might no longer work again.  To me this is unacceptable.
> 2) The discussion of a unified package manager system.  Although a nice
> thought, I too draw the line if it means I have to accept RPM hell.  But
> what I would like to see is a unified Debian file structure and a unified
> RPM file structure.  If as a developer, you could make one debian package
> and one RPM package and that package would install across all RPM or Debian
> distro's then I think it would simplify the whole processes.  I could get
> behind that.
> 3) I also started to wonder how much of the desktop "it just works"
> improvement we have seen is actually related to advancements in drivers and
> other software versus usage habits?  What I mean by this is if you just use
> a web browser, email client (if not web browser for email), and office
> app/suite then many of the Linux desktop distro's will work just out of the
> box.  Add to that the driver improvements we have seen and you can tell many
> people that Linux may work fine for them.  So maybe we have been lulled into
> thinking we are making better progress on the desktop front when in reality
> we have made just a little progress?  I don't know, I do believe the Desktop
> is better today then it was a few years ago but not sure how much is based
> on my usage.
> -Rob
>
> On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Brian Vincent <bvincent at moonlightbasin.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I just watched this.  The whole thing.  That topic used to be near and
>> dear to my heart, but I gave up on it about five years ago.
>>
>> This video could have been made ten or twelve years ago and every single
>> thing he brought up would have been a major point then - video sucks, audio
>> sucks, application support sucks, packaging sucks, testing sucks,
>> fragmentation of core systems sucks, etc, etc.  Nothing has changed and I
>> predict in ten years we'll still be complaining about the same issues, with
>> the possible exception of audio; I think there's a reasonable chance we'll
>> stop reinventing that wheel at some point in the next five years.  Then
>> again, we had sound servers a decade ago (anyone remember esd?) and nothing
>> has changed, so maybe not.
>>
>> I actually had a series of articles I was going to publish last year about
>> this.  I place the blame for all of those issues squarely on the shoulders
>> of the large corporations who "support" Linux, if you want the complete
>> list, just go to The Linux Foundation's website and click on a list of their
>> members.  If they really supported Linux or believed in the idea, they have
>> the $$$ it takes to fix those issues.  We're not even talking a lot of money
>> - just a few percent of their overall R&D budgets.  Even if they didn't
>> directly contribute $$$, the lack of leadership is appalling.
>>
>> But hey, you can get a phone with Linux on it now and that's pretty cool.
>>
>> -----------------------------
>> Brian Vincent
>> Moonlight Basin Technology
>> bvincent at moonlightbasin.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: discuss-bounces at bozemanlug.org
>> [mailto:discuss-bounces at bozemanlug.org] On Behalf Of Scott Dowdle
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 6:55 AM
>> To: rpotter at zoncko.com; Bozeman Linux Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [BozemanLUG] You Tube video on Linux Desktop
>>
>> Rob,
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> > I stumbled on a 45 minute YouTube video today called "Desktop Linux
>> > Sucks, And What We Can Do About It". The presentation was made by
>> > Bryan Lunduke of Jupiter Broadcasting (Linux Action Show) I am guessing
>> > a
>> > year ago although that could be just the YouTube upload date. This is a
>> > good
>> > watch and could be a good discussion generator too.
>> >
>> > Anyhow, thought I would share the url with you all:
>> >
>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoYL4R3Te2s&feature=fvw
>>
>> I also posted that when it first came out:
>>
>> http://www.montanalinux.org/lfnw-2009-lunduke.html
>>
>> ...along with a few other LFNW2009 videos I shot.  Just to clarify, I did
>> not record Lunduke's video.
>>
>> TYL,
>> --
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