[BozemanLUG] You Tube video on Linux Desktop

[Robert Potter]

Few things that jumped out at me were:

1) the discussion of video drivers in relation to kernal updates.  I have
not knowingly noticed this issue with my Ubuntu installs but it is similar
to an issue that frustrates the heck out of me.  I have yet to understand
how anything that works in the previous version no longer works in the new
version.  With Ubuntu that means only a maximum of 6 months of something
working, it might no longer work again.  To me this is unacceptable.

2) The discussion of a unified package manager system.  Although a nice
thought, I too draw the line if it means I have to accept RPM hell.  But
what I would like to see is a unified Debian file structure and a unified
RPM file structure.  If as a developer, you could make one debian package
and one RPM package and that package would install across all RPM or Debian
distro's then I think it would simplify the whole processes.  I could get
behind that.

3) I also started to wonder how much of the desktop "it just works"
improvement we have seen is actually related to advancements in drivers and
other software versus usage habits?  What I mean by this is if you just use
a web browser, email client (if not web browser for email), and office
app/suite then many of the Linux desktop distro's will work just out of the
box.  Add to that the driver improvements we have seen and you can tell many
people that Linux may work fine for them.  So maybe we have been lulled into
thinking we are making better progress on the desktop front when in reality
we have made just a little progress?  I don't know, I do believe the Desktop
is better today then it was a few years ago but not sure how much is based
on my usage.

-Rob

On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Brian Vincent
<bvincent at moonlightbasin.com>wrote:

> I just watched this.  The whole thing.  That topic used to be near and dear
> to my heart, but I gave up on it about five years ago.
>
> This video could have been made ten or twelve years ago and every single
> thing he brought up would have been a major point then - video sucks, audio
> sucks, application support sucks, packaging sucks, testing sucks,
> fragmentation of core systems sucks, etc, etc.  Nothing has changed and I
> predict in ten years we'll still be complaining about the same issues, with
> the possible exception of audio; I think there's a reasonable chance we'll
> stop reinventing that wheel at some point in the next five years.  Then
> again, we had sound servers a decade ago (anyone remember esd?) and nothing
> has changed, so maybe not.
>
> I actually had a series of articles I was going to publish last year about
> this.  I place the blame for all of those issues squarely on the shoulders
> of the large corporations who "support" Linux, if you want the complete
> list, just go to The Linux Foundation's website and click on a list of their
> members.  If they really supported Linux or believed in the idea, they have
> the $$$ it takes to fix those issues.  We're not even talking a lot of money
> - just a few percent of their overall R&D budgets.  Even if they didn't
> directly contribute $$$, the lack of leadership is appalling.
>
> But hey, you can get a phone with Linux on it now and that's pretty cool.
>
> -----------------------------
> Brian Vincent
> Moonlight Basin Technology
> bvincent at moonlightbasin.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discuss-bounces at bozemanlug.org [mailto:
> discuss-bounces at bozemanlug.org] On Behalf Of Scott Dowdle
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 6:55 AM
> To: rpotter at zoncko.com; Bozeman Linux Users Group
> Subject: Re: [BozemanLUG] You Tube video on Linux Desktop
>
> Rob,
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > I stumbled on a 45 minute YouTube video today called "Desktop Linux
> > Sucks, And What We Can Do About It". The presentation was made by
> > Bryan Lunduke of Jupiter Broadcasting (Linux Action Show) I am guessing a
> > year ago although that could be just the YouTube upload date. This is a
> good
> > watch and could be a good discussion generator too.
> >
> > Anyhow, thought I would share the url with you all:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoYL4R3Te2s&feature=fvw
>
> I also posted that when it first came out:
>
> http://www.montanalinux.org/lfnw-2009-lunduke.html
>
> ...along with a few other LFNW2009 videos I shot.  Just to clarify, I did
> not record Lunduke's video.
>
> TYL,
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