[BozemanLUG] You Tube video on Linux Desktop

Wed Sep 8 12:15:14 MDT 2010

I agree with the take that we should not have to upgrade every 6 months
(Ubuntu).  I also realize I probably have very little reason to do so other
than my constant desire for the next cool thing.  But, to me not upgrading
is a "work around" for something that should be a given.  If your wireless
card worked in the last version it should in most cases work again.  Same
can be said for many other issues that crop up for users with each new
install.

If with every MS release audio or wireless adapters suddenly stopped
working, what are the odd's they would still have 80 or 90% of the market?
 I think we would be on a more even playing field.  But for the most part,
for most general users of general hardware, the new version of windows will
continue to work on their computer hardware.  There may be issues with
printer drivers (although not that often) or software but you can generally
install the OS on a two year old computer without fear that standard
hardware will stop working.

Rob

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 7:15 AM, Edward Dunagin <edunagin at gmail.com> wrote:

> Version changing seems to be a habit we all share. BUT why do we change?
> I have 10.4 working and all the bells and whistles with it. So why
> upgrade. I am going to sit on 10.4 because everything works for me.
> All the bells and whistle too.
>
> Edward Dunagin-Dunigan
> mobile 406-570-0992
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> http://doas.montanalinux.org
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Robert Potter <rpotter at zoncko.com> wrote:
> > Few things that jumped out at me were:
> > 1) the discussion of video drivers in relation to kernal updates.  I have
> > not knowingly noticed this issue with my Ubuntu installs but it is
> similar
> > to an issue that frustrates the heck out of me.  I have yet to understand
> > how anything that works in the previous version no longer works in the
> new
> > version.  With Ubuntu that means only a maximum of 6 months of something
> > working, it might no longer work again.  To me this is unacceptable.
> > 2) The discussion of a unified package manager system.  Although a nice
> > thought, I too draw the line if it means I have to accept RPM hell.  But
> > what I would like to see is a unified Debian file structure and a unified
> > RPM file structure.  If as a developer, you could make one debian package
> > and one RPM package and that package would install across all RPM or
> Debian
> > distro's then I think it would simplify the whole processes.  I could get
> > behind that.
> > 3) I also started to wonder how much of the desktop "it just works"
> > improvement we have seen is actually related to advancements in drivers
> and
> > other software versus usage habits?  What I mean by this is if you just
> use
> > a web browser, email client (if not web browser for email), and office
> > app/suite then many of the Linux desktop distro's will work just out of
> the
> > box.  Add to that the driver improvements we have seen and you can tell
> many
> > people that Linux may work fine for them.  So maybe we have been lulled
> into
> > thinking we are making better progress on the desktop front when in
> reality
> > we have made just a little progress?  I don't know, I do believe the
> Desktop
> > is better today then it was a few years ago but not sure how much is
> based
> > on my usage.
> > -Rob
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Brian Vincent <
> bvincent at moonlightbasin.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I just watched this.  The whole thing.  That topic used to be near and
> >> dear to my heart, but I gave up on it about five years ago.
> >>
> >> This video could have been made ten or twelve years ago and every single
> >> thing he brought up would have been a major point then - video sucks,
> audio
> >> sucks, application support sucks, packaging sucks, testing sucks,
> >> fragmentation of core systems sucks, etc, etc.  Nothing has changed and
> I
> >> predict in ten years we'll still be complaining about the same issues,
> with
> >> the possible exception of audio; I think there's a reasonable chance
> we'll
> >> stop reinventing that wheel at some point in the next five years.  Then
> >> again, we had sound servers a decade ago (anyone remember esd?) and
> nothing
> >> has changed, so maybe not.
> >>
> >> I actually had a series of articles I was going to publish last year
> about
> >> this.  I place the blame for all of those issues squarely on the
> shoulders
> >> of the large corporations who "support" Linux, if you want the complete
> >> list, just go to The Linux Foundation's website and click on a list of
> their
> >> members.  If they really supported Linux or believed in the idea, they
> have
> >> the $$$ it takes to fix those issues.  We're not even talking a lot of
> money
> >> - just a few percent of their overall R&D budgets.  Even if they didn't
> >> directly contribute $$$, the lack of leadership is appalling.
> >>
> >> But hey, you can get a phone with Linux on it now and that's pretty
> cool.
> >>
> >> -----------------------------
> >> Brian Vincent
> >> Moonlight Basin Technology
> >> bvincent at moonlightbasin.com
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: discuss-bounces at bozemanlug.org
> >> [mailto:discuss-bounces at bozemanlug.org] On Behalf Of Scott Dowdle
> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 6:55 AM
> >> To: rpotter at zoncko.com; Bozeman Linux Users Group
> >> Subject: Re: [BozemanLUG] You Tube video on Linux Desktop
> >>
> >> Rob,
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> > I stumbled on a 45 minute YouTube video today called "Desktop Linux
> >> > Sucks, And What We Can Do About It". The presentation was made by
> >> > Bryan Lunduke of Jupiter Broadcasting (Linux Action Show) I am
> guessing
> >> > a
> >> > year ago although that could be just the YouTube upload date. This is
> a
> >> > good
> >> > watch and could be a good discussion generator too.
> >> >
> >> > Anyhow, thought I would share the url with you all:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoYL4R3Te2s&feature=fvw
> >>
> >> I also posted that when it first came out:
> >>
> >> http://www.montanalinux.org/lfnw-2009-lunduke.html
> >>
> >> ...along with a few other LFNW2009 videos I shot.  Just to clarify, I
> did
> >> not record Lunduke's video.
> >>
> >> TYL,
> >> --
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