[BozemanLUG] http://64.203.107.114/alexander/edition.asp?id=559

[Gary Orser]

Can we take this off topic noise off the list?

Cheers, Gary
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Gary Orser, orser <at> montana.edu
Department of Microbiology
Montana State University
109 Lewis Hall, Bozeman MT, 59717

On Fri, 30 Jan 2009, Sheldon Ross wrote:

>
> The second amendment does not only refer to small arms though.
>
> Even before the revolutionary war, the colonists themselves(or their militias) had cannons.
> Private ships were often well-armed.
> So this would be tantamount to civilian militias having tanks, fighters, etc.
>
> And as for the comment regarding violence between state guards and federal government not being pretty?
> Since when is revolution or war pretty?
>
> > Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 13:17:05 -0700
> > From: david at eder.us
> > To: discuss at bozemanlug.org
> > Subject: Re: [BozemanLUG] http://64.203.107.114/alexander/edition.asp?id=559
> >
> > Some thoughts:
> >
> > Two bullets a year ago could have changed the whole administration.  It
> > doesn't take nukes or attack helicopters to overthrow an administration
> > gone amok.
> >
> > The Americans were vastly outnumbered and outgunned in the Revolutionary War.
> >
> > The right to bear arms is not the only part of the equation.  There is
> > also the freedom of the press.  An informed public has far more power than
> > a military drawn from that informed public.
> >
> > The government routinely restricts rights guaranteed in the Constitution.
> > I can't think of a single right that doesn't have a least some
> > restriction.
> >
> > Revolutions are rarely legal.
> >
> > If we apply the choice mantra "If you don't like abortions, don't have
> > one.", we get "If you don't like guns, don't have one."  Hmmm, somehow
> > that logic doesn't work here either.
> >
> >
> > David.
> >
> >
> > > Ed,
> > >
> > > This is way off topic but what the hey?
> > >
> > > I'm not against the 2nd Amendment but it is really a joke.  The founding
> > > fathers had no idea the kinds of weapons that would exist in the future.
> > >
> > > What do I mean by that?
> > >
> > > Well, the purpose of the 2nd Amendment was to ensure that the people, or
> > > citizens of a state would be armed well enough to overthrow or defend
> > > themselves against a federal government gone wrong... like the founding
> > > fathers did.  It is to ensure that the citizens can band together and take
> > > out an evil government with violence if need be.  Ok, fine... nothing
> > > wrong with that concept...
> > >
> > > BUT...
> > >
> > > ...our government has nukes, and strike helicopters and fighter planes...
> > > and bombers... and tanks... and surface to air missiles... and
> > > intercontinental ballistic missiles that can travel at 18,000 mph and be
> > > anywhere in the world within 30 minutes.  Unless we allow our citizenry to
> > > have the same weapons... can we really compete with that?  I think the
> > > answer is so clear I don't have to state it.
> > >
> > > That isn't to say that I think citizens should have all of that stuff...
> > > just that the 2nd Amendment is pretty meaningless today... and if it makes
> > > some people feel better to have an automatic weapon... or whatever... more
> > > power to them... but they can't really protect themselves from nor
> > > overthrow such an armed government with pee shooters.
> > >
> > > Some might argue that state militias (the Reserves and National Guard) are
> > > fairly well armed and under the control of the state governor... but I
> > > don't want to even consider a military conflict between a state (or
> > > multiple states) and another state or the federal government.  That just
> > > isn't on the same scale as the 2nd Amendment envisioned.
> > >
> > > ----- "Edward Dunagin" <edunagin at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Well worth reading! (http://64.203.107.114/alexander/edition.asp?id=559)
> > >>
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