[BozemanLUG] http://64.203.107.114/alexander/edition.asp?id=559

[Lou Caudell]

It serves us well to recount the moments of the first battle of the Revolutionary war. The English came to Lexington and Concorde to suppress. The delegates at the constitutional convention could not agree on separation from the crown. It was the people that took it upon themselves to rise to the occasion, and repel the oppressors. They did not have the luxury of a law legitimising their defence. 

The suggestion that the government has mega weapons, and we do not is misguided. Of what value would this country have, if the people were attacked by its government? Not the British aristocracy, nor the communist ever wanted to destroy this country, but only to bring it to it's knees in compliance. We are just to valuable. The most productive, and wealthy nation on earth.  Why waste it. Besides, bombs and fighter planes could
 not bring down a small country like Vietnam. How could they possibly be precise enough to control us. They would only destroy themselves, along with us. The second amendment is not only to preserve the right of self defence, but also to serve notice to despots and tyrannical interests. I usually find those that fear guns are afraid of retribution for their acts of suppression, and perhaps they should. However, removing guns does not guarantee the end of aggression toward our fellow man. The French aristocrats thought of the impact of guns in the 15th century, and attempted to outlaw them and control their use. It only resulted in an epidemic of poisoning. The fact that guns are fairly well controlled, serves as well regulated, and is really more desirable than more random forms of violence, such as IED's and serin gas. I say George Mason IV, Geary of New York, and Patrick Henry are the unsung hero's on the Constitution for fighting for the Bill of
 Rights which permits amendments to the Constitution. To most people, my self included, the Bill of Rights is really what we think of as the Constitution, and if it takes sharp sticks, or guns to defend it, so be it.
- Lou Caudell

--- On Fri, 1/30/09, Scott Dowdle <dowdle at montanalinux.org> wrote:
From: Scott Dowdle <dowdle at montanalinux.org>
Subject: Re: [BozemanLUG] http://64.203.107.114/alexander/edition.asp?id=559
To: "Bozeman Linux Users Group" <discuss at bozemanlug.org>
Date: Friday, January 30, 2009, 11:40 AM

Ed,

This is way off topic but what the hey?

I'm not against the 2nd Amendment but it is really a joke.  The founding
fathers had no idea the kinds of weapons that would exist in the future.

What do I mean by
 that?

Well, the purpose of the 2nd Amendment was to ensure that the people, or
citizens of a state would be armed well enough to overthrow or defend themselves
against a federal government gone wrong... like the founding fathers did.  It is
to ensure that the citizens can band together and take out an evil government
with violence if need be.  Ok, fine... nothing wrong with that concept...

BUT...

...our government has nukes, and strike helicopters and fighter planes... and
bombers... and tanks... and surface to air missiles... and intercontinental
ballistic missiles that can travel at 18,000 mph and be anywhere in the world
within 30 minutes.  Unless we allow our citizenry to have the same weapons...
can we really compete with that?  I think the answer is so clear I don't
have to state it.

That isn't to say that I think citizens should have all of that stuff...
just that the 2nd Amendment is
 pretty meaningless today... and if it makes some
people feel better to have an automatic weapon... or whatever... more power to
them... but they can't really protect themselves from nor overthrow such an
armed government with pee shooters.

Some might argue that state militias (the Reserves and National Guard) are
fairly well armed and under the control of the state governor... but I don't
want to even consider a military conflict between a state (or multiple states)
and another state or the federal government.  That just isn't on the same
scale as the 2nd Amendment envisioned.

----- "Edward Dunagin" <edunagin at gmail.com> wrote:

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